downgrade Windows 8 Pro to 7 or Vista

[Antonio Linares]

No hair here!

[Massimo Linossi]

Here too.
I'm thinking if we lost them due to our age or to our work...

[norberto]

I'm using Windows 8 RTM on my main computer and on my work notebook makes 3 weeks, 2 first days was a chaos ...

but now I see how much is easier, faster, even older programs such as photoshop 7 worked perfectly, compiling my programs with fwh works perfectly. my appl make with FWH+harbour looks better and modern in Windows 8 and run fast.

it synchronizes my favorites, documents on 2 computers, have hyper-v included, IE 10 is fast.

to me, would not return to Windows 7, the 8 proved to be faster, stable, everything I did in my Windows 7, do in 8 better.

with respect touch screens, have certain keyboard shortcuts that dispenses the touch, and has new mice designed for Windows 8 that supplies everything without a touch monitor.

about "WINDOWS 8 RT" ? i agree, RT is not Windows, RT is something new, but RT only pre instaled in Tablets for OEM. we cant install RT in own computer or notebook.

best regards

[TimStone]

Antonio,

These are discussions because we keep them friendly and positive ( even with different views ). Arguments are when people are mad and aggressive. I like this forum because we discuss issues with different viewpoints and keep it friendly.

You are correct that we will see in a few years. Of course time will tell, but sadly the success of a product is often dictated by who sells what rather than what is the best quality. My cell phone provider pushes Droids because that's where they make the most profit. Their sales people have no clue what you can do with a Windows 7 or 8 phone. They have never been trained. On the few times I actually showed them, they replied "I had no idea ..."

Now, for those who consider the senior generation to be those in their 50's, than what about us well into our 60's ? I laugh when I hear that programmers are of little value past age 35 ! ( which was stated in a recently published study of people employing IT staff ).

Tim

[Antonio Linares]

Dear Tim,

It was mistake on my english, of course I meant discussions and not arguments. Sorry

Those who sale phones, computers, etc. are also a very important factor in the success of a product. If Android based devices are cheaper than others, thats makes an extra added value for Android, etc.

[norberto]

Tim, I am very impressed with you, at your age (at least what you say), and his enthusiasm for technology, open to innovations, without prejudices, continue this way... and my congrats and respect to you and stay shine.

on the other hand, I see people like dvorak, a dinosaur technology, which should not have used Windows 8 for more than 5 days, so afraid of having to learn new, or programmers with fear of having to adapt to Windows RT.

well, we really need to be worried, because we cannot have an IDE, a complete DBU, a design resource, a way of programming for web, imagine if Windows RT is a success? We would have to adapt everything and neither managed to do the items up.

Note: this is not a criticism to Antonio or fivetech, but to the xbase community in General, including me.

Android? If apple make the instances of processes, already paid for Microsoft by copyright per phone, will have to pay for apple too, cheap phone/tablets will become more expensive, and people will wonder: in the same price level, will prefer an apple or a Microsoft device.

[Antonio Linares]

I am trying to install current Visual Studio 2012 on Windows 8 (not RTM) and I get this error:

If I try to install the .NET RTM, then I get the error that it is already installed.

Any hints ?

[Otto]

Hello Antonio,

Visual Studio 2012 RTM is not supported on pre-release versions of Windows 8 or Windows Server 2012.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/heaths/archive/ ... ows-8.aspx

Best regards,
Otto

[Antonio Linares]

Otto,

Thanks, thats what I thought. I will try to apply this:

http://forums.fivetechsupport.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=24720

so I can upgrade from the one that I am using

[TimStone]

I have installed RTM on all my computers, and the final release of the full Visual Studio. Some of the features in VS2012 are for Win 8 RT development. I suppose it required the final release of .NET 4.5, which only ships with RTM, to run.

Tim

[reinaldocrespo]

Hi.

I too would like to start testing my apps against win8 and learn more about it, but I don't want to have to purchase windows 8 just for testing. How is everyone else getting it? Please help.

Thank you,


Reinaldo.

[TimStone]

I have a few Microsoft memberships on which it is available, ie. a Microsoft Partnership Action Pack subscription, and also a Website Spark membership. Also if you have a MSDN, or Tech Net subscription, it is available. There are also other licenses available, ie. Office, Server 2012, SQL Server 2012, Expression Suite, Visual Studio 2012, etc.

Essentially, any of the developer programs provide access to download RTM versions. The number of licenses depends on the programs. In my case I have it installed on a Desktop box, All In One, large Notebook, smaller laptop, and soon a slate. This allows me to test on multiple devices and configurations that are likely to appear on location at my customers' businesses.

Microsoft has also extensively upgraded support services under these programs. I usually have answers very quickly when questions arise. Further, they have been very responsive to input from developers, and that is why there were so many changes across the past year on all of these products. In addition, team leaders have been out in the developer community extensively, teaching what is, and listening to what should be.

Finally, there are a lot of blogs, training videos, seminars, and demo materials available to developers.

Therefore, these programs have been a worthwhile investment.

Tim

[norberto]

Reinaldo, Windows 8 have an trial version (90 days) free and RTM (not beta).

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... 70ce0dafef

[reinaldocrespo]

I was hoping for a better solution. That trial version will auto-erase after 90 days and you would lose everything.

[TimStone]

That is true but if you don't want to pay anything, that is the only option at this time.

On October 26th you will be able to purchase updates for $ 40 each.